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No Substitute for Baptism

Sunday, February 5th, 2012

Is it not true that Mary Magdalen was a saint from that moment in which Christ forgave her because she loved much? And yet we are not aware that she was then baptized. Is it not true that the Holy Innocents did not receive the Sacrament of Baptism? Also, that some of the canonised saints were only catechumens, and so forth? Now, it will promote tidiness and clarity of thought if we deal with this difficulty by proposing to ourselves these two questions, and by answering them:

First, Has Christ instituted any other positive means of regeneration besides baptism, either by way of addition to or exception from the law of baptism? Secondly, Is it not possible that, from the very nature of things which precedes all positive law and is allowed for in positive law, it might happen that a person could receive justification without the actual reception of the Sacrament of Baptism?

We answer the first of these questions in the negative. We cannot admit any other means of salvation positively instituted by Christ, for the very good reason that his positive law has provided one means and only one. If, therefore, any theories are advanced on the question of salvation which involve the recognition of some means of salvation positively instituted by Christ, other than baptism, such theories must immediately be rejected as at least erroneous. Attempts of this kind have been made from time to time. The best known is that of the theologian Cajetan, who expressed the opinion that in the case of infants dying in the mother’s womb, the prayers of the parents could secure the justification and salvation of the children. He thought that a blessing of the child in the womb, given in the name of the Blessed Trinity, would secure this.

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exception to law of baptism? “baptism of desire”

Monday, October 3rd, 2011

from The Teaching of the Catholic Church, Volume II, Canon George D. Smith:

First, Has Christ instituted any other positive means of regeneration besides baptism, either by way of addition to or exception from the law of baptism? Secondly, Is it not possible that, from the very nature of things which precedes all positive law and is allowed for in positive law, it might happen that a person could receive justification without the actual reception of the Sacrament of Baptism?
 
We answer to the first of these questions in the negative. We cannot admit any other means of salvation positively instituted by Christ, for the very good reason that his positive law has provided one means and only one. If, therefore, any theories are advanced on the question of salvation which involves the recognition of some means of salvation positively instituted by Christ, other than baptism, such theories must immediately be rejected as at least erroneous.
 
We answer to the second question in the affirmative. It can happen that a person receives justification without actually receiving the Sacrament of Baptism. And it can happen in one of two ways: either, 1. by Martyrdom, or 2. by Charity.
 
p.778-779
 
…. Now, an act of charity always and necessarily contains a desire for the Sacrament of Baptism, hence the expression Baptism of Desire. The reason why it must contain this desire is that an act of the love of God must contain a desire of conforming to his will in every way. Therefore, since it is God’s will that we should receive the Sacrament of Baptism, this act must contain the desire for baptism. But this desire may either be implicitly or explicitly, and each alternative requires our careful consideration.
 
It is implicit in anyone who makes an act of the love of God, and, through invincible ignorance, does not know of the necessity of sacrament baptism. This might happen in a country like England to people who are not baptised.
 
Might it not also happen to heathens who have never heard of Christ?
 
It might, if we suppose that these heathens have in some way obtained the necessary minimum knowledge of Revelation, and are capable of a salutary faith and hope in God. For it is very important to understand that when we speak of charity, we do not mean just any kind of love of God above all else, such as the natural love of a creature for its Creator. Charity is essentially a love of friendship (Our Blessed Lord does not call us servants, but friends), which implies an intimate communication with God, such as is only possible in a supernatural order. The existence of this supernatural order can only be known through Revelation. Charity, therefore, cannot exist without at least the knowledge of the principle truth of Revelation. p. 782-783

baptism of desire: a theological basis

Thursday, December 9th, 2010

Have you ever wondered why ‘baptism of desire’ has never been condemned by the Catholic Church?

Because there is a theological basis for such proposition.

Those who deny it are, at the very least, in error as if such theology does not exist or that the Church has not allowed it.

It can happen that a person receives justification without actually receiving the Sacrament of Baptism.

Does that mean that there are other positive means of regeneration besides baptism, either by way of addition to or exception from the law of baptism?

Negative.

Is it possible that, from the very nature of things which precedes all positive law and is allowed for in positive law, it might happen that a person could receive justification without the actual reception of the Sacrament of Baptism?

Yes.

comments on “baptism of desire”

Wednesday, October 13th, 2010
an open letter–
The issue with Baptism of Desire is a difficult one, since it stirs up much controversy and debate among laymen, causing proponents from each side to call the other names and heretics. I will not do it here, since I know this is not the reason why you have come to the position that you have.
 
The debate on Baptism of Desire can be looked at from many different angles. We’ll exclude false ones for the sake of brevity. A person like yourself would take the side of Fr. X, because he sounds right and has the testimony of theologians. Good, what are you going to do about it? Nothing, because you’re not a theologian, but in the missionary field, your proposal of “baptism of desire” for newly converts or catechumen would be a fatal mistake since an ordinary person would not have the intellectual insight into the reason for such concept in theology.
 
Then you have those who are all for water baptism and look with disfavor on “baptism of desire” as purely the work of theology. No problem there either. But theology is supposed to be for the edification of the faithful and should favor piety instead of harboring disagreements.
 
I would readily admit “baptism of desire” is at least proximate to faith, if not part of the deposit of faith. The true and faithful teaching of Baptism of Desire does not result in a contradict, but rather expounds on the principles and distinction made in theology, which would invariably point us to the reasonableness of such reality when conditions are met according to revelation given to us in scriptures. (He who loves God, will be loved by Him for nothing is impossible with God).
 
Having said that de fide Catholic doctrine, proposed in theology, as certain according to the testimony of many theologians including saints and doctors, would indicate with common sense that such teaching has been allowed by the Church without censure.
 
You should be safe to accept the principles of theology as proposed by the Catholic theologians. Anything beyond that would be slipping into heresy, as religious indifferentism of false religions and universal salvation with exceptions like invincible ignorance.

regarding unconscious “baptism of desire”

Wednesday, October 13th, 2010
an open letter–
There’s no unconscious anything. You’re simply in a make-belief world when you insert that into theology. The word that is used is implicit. Faith is a free gift of God. You can’t desire an object that you have no affection for, such is the case with God. You can’t move toward Him without knowing Him through faith in Jesus Christ. Once you’re in the state of grace, He works internally through you, as well as externally.  But in order for God to save you, you have to fulfill certain spiritual and religious obligations, knowing who God is, what is His will, what He has taught, and that He rewards those who seek Him with eternal life and punishes those who are wicked with everlasting torment. Even you do not believe in the last article. You think anybody can reach God with an unconscious desire of indifference. You think human nature is moved toward good than evil. You think that the Catholic Faith is only for people who are exposed to it, but for those who have never heard of it, they get a free pass to Heaven with their supernatural unconsciousness. Your idea is as real as my words “supernatural unconsciousness”.
 
Here’s an analogy. You’re sitting at a desk, working on your computer, working through the day, and you go home and went to bed. You remember that you had a certain craving for ice cream while you were working at your desk. Your unconscious desire for the ice cream did not suffice for anything because you made no effort to get it. So is it with working out salvation as well. 
 
You are in a state of mortal sin, but you have an unconscious desire to repent. If you were to die that moment, would you go to Heaven?
 
Vice and virtue cannot occupy in the same space. Sanctifying grace and spiritual death cannot co-exist within a person at the same moment. Divine faith and false religious belief (of any particular) cannot co-habit in a person at the same time. The Catholic Faith is a habit. A soul is either moving away from God or moving toward Him. Only the Catholic Faith can move a soul towards Him, and not everything about the Catholic Faith has to be explicitly known, and that is where the implicit comes into view in theology.
 
Catechisms are not infallible, however they do carry weight of authority by those who promulgated them, if they have authority at all, such is questionable with Novus Ordo authorities.

the reign of the anti-Pope, and the triumph of false compassion

Thursday, September 2nd, 2010

In this glorious Church, mercy holds the highest status in the order of truth. All things must tend toward it, as it is the very soul of our ecumenism with every aberrant person and religious view. Truth is relevant to this modern man insofar as the mercy of God is emphasized over His justice, as the very impetus toward unity and catholicity of all peoples.

We are to love the sinner and hate the sin, as the popular saying goes. Sin today is an abstract idea, that which is not conducive to the temporal welfare of society. Admit the sinner and downplay the effects of sin. Do not offend the person of any type of aberration, be it of deep-seated lifestyle. We don’t teach the justice of a revengeful God, but a form of justice compelled by peace and solidarity toward a common goal. It is to be a socio-religious form of behavior for this Church that we are building. Reverse the order of every institution for the welfare man, be it the institution of marriage or civil order. Even the divine precepts of faith must show charity toward the common good of man.

I reject condemnation and I lift anathematization of previous councils. Today we must work with people of different religious background, even the Lutherans in joint declaration, for the raising of this one ecumenical church.

The time has come that religious relations among all peoples become the very spirit of our messiah, who is returning. The Jews do not wait in vain, for we must now enter their temples and pray for the coming of the messiah, awaited by many other believers.

God no longer sees spiritual differences, in the baptized and the unbaptized, the just and the reprobates, as we are part of one greater spiritual communion of mankind, even though some with an imperfect communion that tends toward full unity. Teach new forms of communion and baptism of desire for people who, traditionally, would not be considered Christians or having any form of faith in Jesus Christ or the Christian Creed. It is not their fault that they don’t know God or the Church, so how can God condemn them to hell? It is being blameless that is justification.

Teach partial communion in Christ’s Church, as I am with the Orthodox and the all Christian believers of whatever denomination. Today, religion is not based of dogmatic principles held by dead men, let the dead bury the dead, but are reformable according to historical circumstances. Heresy cannot be imputed on the children of heretics, or so called.

All religions lead to God, one way or another, that is why I request that you send out my delegation to meet with these spiritual communities all over the world. Teach that God desires we all learn to pray with one another in order to ensure peace and progress in spiritual life among men. The presence of religious traditions is the source of enrichment for all.

It is most expedient that religious liberty be enshrined on the constitution of every ordered society. It is firmly established on the dignity of the human person, rooted in his human nature. It is a moral right given by God. Have no doubt about it. It is to be a moral right in every society. Respect other religious views.

Open Letter of John Daly on the Dimonds and EENS, part 2

Sunday, August 8th, 2010

For the rest of this letter I shall now move on to the second question: the one about baptism. On this topic, I maintain that a person who dies un-baptised may yet be saved, if the other conditions of salvation are fulfilled, by virtue of his desire for baptism – God taking the will for the deed when it is no fault of the person in question that he was not yet baptised.

There are a great many Catholic authorities I could quote in defence of this position, but I am going to pluck up my courage and take my stand on the one which you have already indicated to me that you are aware of and believe to be worthless. It is the following words of the Council of Trent: “This…translation [i.e. from the state of original sin into the state of grace 'of the adoption of sons' (Romans 8:15)] after the promulgation of the Gospel cannot take place without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it…” (Denzinger 796)

As you well realise, the man in the street is liable to take this as implying unmistakably that the justification of the person still in original sin may be brought about either (a) by baptism, or (b) by the desire for baptism. Hence you informed me that: “…the decree does not state that: this transition [the justification of the sinner] CAN be effected WITH the water of regeneration or the desire for it. Rather, the decree does state that this transition…canNOT be effected withOUT the water of regeneration or the desire for it.”

Now, XXX, there is no doubt that what you say is true, but is the distinction you make of the slightest relevance, or are the two phrases which you so carefully distinguish in fact exactly equivalent in meaning? I maintain they are interchangeable for all practical purposes and in the judgment of any man of balanced mind, familiar with the ordinary rules of the use of language, of logic and of ecclesiastical usage – and that no one would try to suggest that the words of the decree do not imply the words of your first proposition above unless he was carefully trying to avoid admitting something which he finds uncomfortable.

Imagine you went to buy a new car and you saw a sign advising potential purchasers that “cars may not be removed from the premises without payment in cash or by a recognised credit card.” Having selected your Porsche you brightly present to the salesman your platinum American Express card. He accepts it, fills in the docket and returns it to you for signature. You sign and ask for the keys of the car. “Oh no,” he replies, you can’t have the car for a month. I have to get in another one to replace it first.”

Naturally you are aggrieved. “But look at the sign,” you say, “I can take my vehicle as soon as I have paid in cash or given you my credit card.” “No, no, no,” replies the car-salesman, “You must be logical. The sign says that you may NOT remove your purchase withOUT cash or credit. But it does NOT say that you MAY remove it WITH cash or credit. That would be a completely gratuitous conclusion. Go back to your classes in grammar and logic. I’ll give you the keys to your auto when you can promise you have read the whole of the Material Logic of John of St Thomas in the original.”

Wouldn’t it be fair to call that salesman a con-man, XXX? And which are worse, XXX, theological con-men or automobile con-men? Because your argument is just as bogus as the car-salesman’s. It is the same argument in fact. And it completely overlooks the fact that a list of conditions may equally well be presented in positive form or negative form. (E.g. “Driving test candidates cannot be presented unless they speak English or have a translator” is the same as “Driving test candidates must either speak English or have a translator.) To suggest that the negative form does not imply the positive corollary is to accuse whoever made the original statement of playing with words in order to deceive. And the dogmatic teaching of an ecumenical council is not out to mislead; it is out to teach.

open letter from John Daly on the Dimond Brothers, part 6

Saturday, July 31st, 2010

Yes indeed, XXXX. That brings us to the issue of Mr Dimond’s own unorthodoxy.

First we find him denying the de fide truth that Baptism of Desire suffices for justification (which even Fr Feeney accepted!), and indeed for salvation. Trent is quite clear. St Thomas is quite clear. The Doctors are quite clear. Canon Law is quite clear. Historical examples of unbaptised canonised saints are numerous and clear. The theologians are unanimous. But Dimond denies this dogma because he doesn’t SEE how it is compatible with other texts. That’s how heresy happens. The reason he doesn’t understand is that he doesn’t have the background education in philosophy and theology. Sad, but not a justification – no one invited him to adopt his present “apostolate”.

(Here incidentally is what St Alphonsus has to say on the topic in his Moral Theology Bk. 6, nn. 95-7: “Now it is de fide that men are also saved by Baptism of desire, by virtue of the Canon Apostolicam, “de presbytero non baptizato” and of the Council of Trent, session 6, Chapter 4 where it is said that no one can be saved “without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it”. ”

For Mr Dimond, this is just proof that Doctors of the Church are not infallible and can err. The possibility that Dimond himself is not infallible and can err fails to occur to his bloated ego. What is clear is that St Alphonsus, not misled by any supposedly inexact translations, understands the Trent text in the sense that Dimond (a non-Latinist) rejects and that St Alphonsus holds as de fide a proposition that Dimond emphatically rejects as a heresy. And while the Doctors of the Church are not individually infallible (only collectively) it is quite certain that the Church does not accord the accolade of Doctor to persons who represent heresy as dogma and dogma as heresy. Plainly any humble, prudent and docile Catholic will adhere to St Alphonsus, not to Dimond – not that the Trent text is in any way ambiguous.

Moreover, it is only by a startling inconsistency, of which he must surely be conscious, that Dimond fails to brand St Alphonsus Liguori as a heretic, for in referring to contemporary Catholics he invariably calls them heretics when he thinks they err on dogmatic subjects. Of course this is particularly terrible when, as on the Baptism in voto subject, Dimond is the one who errs and those he condemns are orthodox. But even when he is right, it is a certain truth that to be a heretic there must be direct error against dogma, held with pertinacity – i.e. realisation that one’s opinion conflicts with dogma. And Dimond rides roughshod over the pertinacity requirement, perhaps under the illusion that pertinacity is always presumed, whereas in fact it is presumed only where there are solid grounds for such a presumption. Thus he dismisses from the Church, as he himself admits, nearly all traditional priests, and indeed the laity.

Another grave departure from Catholic orthodoxy is found in Dimond’s attitude to those papal decrees and declarations, encyclicals, etc., which fall short of the requirements for pertaining to the Extraordinary Magisterium. Dimond sees no difficulty in arguing that as they are not guaranteed by direct infallibility, they may well contain error and that Catholics are free to reject their contents, indeed sometimes bound to…

As a matter of fact, as Pope Pius XII explains in Humani Generis, and as any serious student of Catholic doctrine knows, Catholics are bound in conscience to submit both exteriorly and interiorly to these non-infallible documents also, and the words of Our Lord “He that heareth you, heareth me” apply to them. Dimond rejects that truth by a combination of ignorance and necessity, for he cannot admit a fact that would at a stroke destroy his false doctrine concerning Baptism in voto.

Another grotesque error is one that Dimond has invented himself – namely that Karol Wojtyla is himself the Antichrist in person. What emerges from his attempts to defend this error is that he has not studied Catholic doctrine about the Antichrist. He simply does not know that the Antichrist will reign politically over the whole world for 3 1/2 years, assassinate Henoch and Elias in Jerusalem, witness their resurrection, attempt to fly up to heaven himself (like Simon Magus of old) and then fall dead to the ground, struck by the breath of Christ. The Antichrist is not JP2, nor was he Paul VI as the late Bill Strojie claimed. These men were/are very wicked and were/are antichrists, but THE Antichrist is still to come (perhaps quite soon) and Mr Dimond is not helping to prepare Catholics for the event. He is merely spreading cloud and obscurity on grave matters.

Further criticisms would include Dimond’s penchant for making highly controversial statements without providing adequate references and proof – for instance his claim that Baptism in voto was not mentioned in the original catechism of the Council of Trent and was added in the nineteenth century; that Baptism in voto was not mentioned in the original Catechism of St Pius X or approved by that pope, etc.

Then there are his merely misleading references. For instance, he attributes to Fr Leonard Feeney the words, “Anyone who says the New Mass is a traitor to the Catholic Faith,” with a reference to From the Housetops, #24, 1983, p. 54. Incautious readers would casually assume that this was an article written by Fr Leonard Feeney to express his view. But in fact Fr Feeney was already dead. He died in 1978, though not before having himself said the New Mass. Dimond simply can’t be trusted.

There we are, XXXX. I am sorry that time prevents me from being more thorough, but I think I have written enough to make it clear why I do not wish to be associated with Michael Dimond in any way.

To help you evaluate other writers on current controversies, may I suggest that you acquire a second-hand copy of Fr Edward Leen: What Is Education? and study in it what an educated Catholic mind is supposed to be like. Perhaps the most marked characteristic of the mind is that it is judicious. I would strongly recommend limiting contemporary writers you publish on your site to those to whom the word “judicious” could reasonably be applied.

Incidentally, to OCR Fr Leen’s book and make it available on the Web would be a signal service to the common good.

God bless you.

In Domino et Domina,

John Daly

open letter from John Daly on the Dimond Brothers, part 5

Friday, July 30th, 2010

Here is a comparison. A nation’s laws affirm that no foreigner may reside in it unless he is the spouse of a citizen or a naturalised citizen.

What lawyer would have the effrontery to claim that a naturalised citizen has no right of residence because he is unmarried? Or that the spouse of a citizen must leave because he is not naturalised?

Now suppose, to indulge Mr Dimond, that in fact, in this land, adult foreigners are never allowed to become naturalised citizens unless they are married to a citizen, though children can be naturalised without this condition.

Plainly this does not alter the fact that the law envisages at least some possible cases in which either of the two factors suffices without the other.

But in any event, Dimond’s claim is vitiated by the fact that while pontificating on alleged mistranslations of Latin, he does not actually know the language. Theologians writing in Latin (and Mr Dimond has never read one, for he does not have the ability to do so) would never dream of using the word “votum” (desire/vow) to express the intention that must be had by the recipient of a sacrament during its administration. The claim is merely ludicrous as anyone familiar with ecclesiastical Latin will confirm to you.

So we find Mr Dimond:

(a) Radically distorting the meaning of a dogma.
(b) Accusing others of radically distorting the meaning of the very dogma he is twisting in knots.
(c) Pretending to a competence in Latin he needs but does not possess.
(d) Performing intellectual acrobatics to twist meanings and logic while claiming that his crazy “interpretation” is manifestly the only correct one.
(e) Doing all the above because it doesn’t suit him to believe what Trent actually defined.

open letter from John Daly on the Dimond Brothers, part 4

Friday, July 30th, 2010

Now, here is a passage from issue No.3, p. 30. Dimond is commenting on a text from the Council of Trent (Chapter 4, Session 6, On Justification) which he claims has been mistranslated.

“Mistranslation…’In these words a description of the justification of a sinner is given as being a translation from that state in which man is born a child of the first Adam to the state of grace…; and this translation after the promulgation of the Gospel cannot be effected except through the laver of regeneration or the desire for it…’

“One who reads the mistranslation of this passage from Trent would probably think that Trent is teaching that one can enter into the state of grace either through Baptism or by the desire for it. However an accurate translation renders the meaning of Trent totally different. In fact the original Latin of the passage ‘except through the laver of regeneration or the desire for it,’ is ’sine lavacro regenerationis aut eius voto’.

“True Translation – ‘and this translation…cannot be effected WITHOUT…the laver of regeneration or the desire for it’…

“…The subtle change of ‘without’ to ‘except through’ changes the entire meaning of the statement. The word ‘without’ used in this passage means that justification CANNOT happen without the laver of regeneration or the desire for it. Trent is simply distinguishing between the requirements for infant baptism as opposed to [sic] that of adults. Infants cannot desire baptism. Therefore in their case only the laver of regeneration is required to effect the sacrament. Adults on the other hand must have the desire for the sacrament that they are receiving…”
XXXX, the mind capable of conceiving the ideas herein expressed is a ruined instrument for the apprehension of truth. And the mind capable of being deceived by them is sadly lacking in discernment, to say the least.

Trent dogmatically teaches that justification is impossible without either (a) Baptism, or (b) desire for Baptism.

Dimond brazenly declares that it means no such thing. It means, in his view, to affirm that justification is in all cases impossible without baptism, and that in addition to baptism, desire for the sacrament is also needed in the case of adults.

Now the word “or” does not have that meaning. Hunt in as many Thesauri as you will. The Dimond meaning is not even, at a stretch, a possible meaning of the text he is writing about. Trent’s words cannot possibly bear the meaning Dimond attaches to them.

The person who “changes the entire meaning of the statement” is Dimond.